Dita Von Teese on manners, maturity, and the problem with Marilyn Manson

LEATHER AND LACE Dita Von Teese in repose

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Sometime in the the early '90s, a pint-size natural blonde from Michigan (real name Heather Sweet) dyed her hair black, painted her lips red, poured herself into a corset, and stepped out onto the stage of strip club. Years later, the world came to know her as Dita Von Teese, burlesque goddess of the boho set, appearing tastefully nude in an oversize cocktail glass near you. Von Teese's fame only increased in 2005 when she married another provocateur, goth rocker Marilyn Manson, and she continued to make headlines through last December when the couple filed for divorce.

This week, she takes a break from the show girl act to try her hand
as a host and commentator for the Independent Film Channel's new miniseries Indie Sex, which airs August 1-4 at midnight and explores sex and censorship in entertainment—a subject she knows a little something about.

Radar caught up with Von Teese as she was getting ready for the New York wedding of Estée Lauder president John Demsey. She was also in town for the unveiling of her video portrait, the latest work by experimental artist Robert Wilson. In between bouncing around events associated more with socialites than strippers, Von Teese confronted rumors about her penchant for Internet porn, what she really thinks of Marilyn Manson, and the challenge of aging gracefully in a g-string.

RADAR: You're registered under a pseudonym at your hotel. Do you have trouble with rabid burlesque fans trying to track you down?
DITA VON TEESE:Not too much, but you know how some celebrities have fans of the opposite sex, who imagine they're going to marry them and live happily ever after? I have a different thing. Over the past 15 years I've had a few female fans who've gone overboard and been upset because we didn't become best friends and go shopping together.

"I don't think it was the press. It was a matter of, 'Hey, maybe you shouldn't drink absinthe and do cocaine and do interviews all at the same time' I think there were regrets about things that were said."They wanted to swap pasties with you?
Yes! Which I wouldn't really mind. I'll swap a pasty once in a while.

Your new IFC miniseries, Indie Sex, charts the history of sex and censorship in film. Seems like everyone loves your act now, which is received as performance art rather than smut. But have you ever been on the other end?
Lots of times. The most significant is when I was performing in the UK probably about 1993. It was before burlesque hit the mainstream and became trendy. I was doing a show in front of the censor board. They informed me that it was still illegal to remove your clothing in a "seductive manner," but it was okay to be nude. I couldn't take off so much as a glove in front of the audience, and had to go behind a wall to get totally undressed.

For the series, you've taken on a more authoritative talking head role. Should we expect more of this, and less stripping from you in the future?
Honestly, burlesque is my first love and for me it's important to preserve this lost art and remind people that striptease has a great history. I would never drop anything for a different career choice. Unless, of course, the time comes, which it inevitably will, when I shouldn't be bouncing around in pasties and a g-string. Get back to me then!

That brings me to the inevitable, and probably irritating, "when your body goes" question. Do you worry about getting older and maintaining your career?
The thing is, I started doing this when I was 18, and now I'm going to be 35. Back then, I remember thinking: 35? That's so old. I'll never be doing it when I'm that age! And I was wrong.

LADY AND A VAMP Dita poses with designer Zac Posen, and onstage with some enormous peacock fans

So, might you have 10 more years of burlesque in you?
Sometimes I think no way. Then I look at actresses like Demi Moore, and these amazing women that we still want to see in various stages of undress, and I just don't know. I'm saving my pennies, no matter what, and really looking at my career now as something that is temporary. I don't have that kind of ego where I think it's going to be this way forever.

You've said before that you don't hold yourself above workaday strippers, yet you run with socialites and fashion designers—some of whom would probably look down their noses at the biker bars where you started. How do you explain why they seem to not only accept you, but absolutely love you?
I think that some of them know the history of burlesque. Some of them just really appreciate the risqué element, or maybe that I'm doing something unique. I think they like that I didn't just decide to be an actress or a pop star, that I took a different, riskier path. I mean, let's be honest, if I just wanted to be famous, I should have chosen a different career. It's not the easiest way.

You recently went through a very public divorce. I know that your ex-husband [Marilyn Manson], who is doing press for his new album, has spoken frankly to the media about the end of your marriage and his new relationship. Have you read those articles?
I didn't read much of it, but it's hard for people not to point it out to me. It was hard. I just never expected it. It's unfortunate to have my divorce exploited for record sales. "Shock rocker," I suppose. That was the shock.

Do you think the press mishandled things by blowing up his comments?
I don't think it was the press. It was a matter of, "Hey, maybe you shouldn't drink absinthe and do cocaine and do interviews all at the same time." I think there were regrets about things that were said. So no, I don't think it was the press. It was drinking and interviewing.

BEYOND THE PALE Von Teese and Manson in happier times

You've talked to him about those interviews?
We're in touch. And we can kind of laugh at it all. Sort of.

You've been very candid about alcohol and drugs leading to the dissolve of your marriage. Going in, did you see the signs and just hope that things would improve?
It's a matter of thinking, I can do anything. I can do this. I can take whatever is dished out. But eventually you ask, "What is my quality of life at this point?" I'm sure everyone can put together the pieces of the puzzle and figure out what happened—between drinking, drugs and inappropriate behavior. [In previous interviews she has referenced Manson's "inappropriate behavior" during their marriage, which some fans have interpreted to mean an extramarital relationship with 19-year-old Evan Rachel Wood. Manson has denied this, and Dita declined to elaborate.]

I'm not in it for the thrill of letting people see me nude.I'm not the girl who takes her top off at a party when I drink too much champagneYou're still inevitably identified and maybe most widely known as Manson's ex-wife. How do you handle it?
It's like having a tattoo. It's a part of my life and will always be part of my life. I don't regret a thing. Of course, it's something I'd like to not have to talk about five years from now, but I don't care either way. If people always associate me with him, that's fine. It was seven years of my life.

You've said before that you're looking for a man with manners. But it seems hard to believe a vanilla guy would do it for you.
I really don't have a type. People misunderstand and think there's a type of guy I must be into, because they only know about one or two of my relationships. I'm just really excited to meet someone that has a passion for life and wants to have adventures and have a good time. Someone who has a moderate lifestyle, and doesn't swing back and forth. My history with men has been either recovering addicts who are completely sober, or the opposite.

Is it fair to say you're attracted to addictive personalities?
I don't know what it is. Most of my long-term relationships have been with men that were sober. The good news is that I'm very moderate myself. I'm not militant one way or another about drinking and drugs. I can be around them and not have to dip into it.

Have you ever?
When I was 19 I was buck wild! I was a rave girl. I had a great time experimenting with drugs. But suddenly you grow up and you think, I don't want to feel like crap the next day. I have things to do.

Do you have to deal with any weird preconceptions from strangers, either due to the stripping or past relationships?
Maybe some people think that I'm an exhibitionist, but I'm definitely not. I'm not in it for the thrill of letting people see me nude. I'm not the girl who takes her top off at a party when I drink too much champagne.

LIPSTICK THESPIAN Von Teese puts on a show

So, had your career gone another way, we wouldn't see you in a Joe Francis Girls Gone Wild production?
No. But I've found myself in rooms with girls who are like that, who are taking their tops off and running wild. I like to let them have the attention.

You think they're trying to show off?
I think girls like to try to be the hottest, sexiest girl in the room. Some girls think that's how you become that, though it's not necessarily true.

I have to ask you about a quote that is circulating on the Web about how much you love Internet porn. Really now, does Dita Von Teese sit in her hotel room and surf raunchy websites?
Oh good, I'm so glad you asked me about that! The Internet is a funny thing. I've seen all these quotes from me that don't really exist. I've never looked at Internet porn in my life, though I do have some DVDs. All those pop-up windows! I couldn't do it.

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