Do you feel like you're still fighting the establishment, even in your 60s? GILBERT: You have to, it's your job as an artist. Last year we did these pictures titled Sonofagod, and there was amazing controversy. George: We had some amazing support from the

Do you feel like you're still fighting the establishment, even in your 60s?
GILBERT: You have to, it's your job as an artist. Last year we did these pictures titled Sonofagod, and there was amazing controversy.

George: We had some amazing support from the clergy for that one, though. Some said, "Congratulations. As a committed Christian, these pictures are asking all the right questions." But all the Christian papers were protesting and picketing.

In a world where movie stars flash their coochies, do you think it's possible to shock these days?
Gilbert: With religion you can.
George: Even with our catalog, there's a piece called Was Jesus Heterosexual? And everyone is terrified of that. The lawyer wanted to cut that out, and we thought, The church loves heterosexuals! Everyone is terrified of the Christians.

The work also reminds me of beautiful stained-glass windows, so the Christians should love you.
George: There's a slight resemblance. That was some of the most powerful art of its time, those windows. We didn't base it on that.
Gilbert: The work is a liquid color on white, so it's very vibrant and bright, pure color, like television—pure red, pure blue. We had to arrange a separation of color, so there's the black line, which feels like a stained-glass window, to hide the joints.
George: Kids who have never been to church in their lives think our work looks like Space Invaders.